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  What JWs don't know they believe

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a post this morning, i suggested that a way to wake up fellow congregants is to plainly comment or make talks on teachings and rules the jws don't really know too well.

  the idea is that you can say these things, other jws will be bothered by the comments, but will not be able to do anything about it as this is the official teaching or stand on this or that.

  the key here is that when troubling rules and teachings are thought in the watchtower, they generally use wording that makes them go down easy.

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  Sea Breeze

  They deny the Christian doctrine of Substitution, which states that Jesus died for you, to pay your penalty. The WT says that Jesus died to pay back what Adam lost.

  Since the WT teaches that you can self atone when you die, most members never realize the importance of Justification... which is also denied to members.
  
  Justification means that there is no debt. Instead they teach, that through will-power, you can grow to perfection even though scripture rather forcefully states that by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified!

  As soon as someone puts faith in their church affiliation and works, what God offers is off the table.

  It is cruel irony that when a person seeks to identify THE F&DS, instead of Jesus, they become very unfaithful and indiscreet... as well as a Watchtower slave.
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  Allegheny Pyramid Desecrated

  by RolRod in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  sometime within the last 2 weeks, someone took a sledgehammer to the pyramid monument in allegheny.

  they stole the topstone, smashed the cross and crown emblem and removed the seal.. personally i'm surprised it lasted this long untouched.

  although through the years russell's grave has been vandalized, it was always repaired by the bible students..

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  Sea Breeze

  Mmmmm, you got 80,000 families a year being destroyed through the disfellowshipping practice alone. This does not include the thousands of families destroyed and lives taken from the blood policy or the lives destroyed by unreported pedophiles in the Watchtower Organization. They are also criminally responsible for countless suicides due to their teaching that a person can self-atone when they die.
  
  Face it; The Watchtower organization started by Russell has been a sociological nuclear bomb unleashed on the human race. Our families just drew the short straw that's all.
  
  I am also utterly shocked that ANY WT monuments still exist. There is good reason for GB members to have body guards wherever they go.
  
  
  
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  The Stupidity Of The Biden Administration Knows No Bounds

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  so picture this, you are suddenly withdrawing troops after 2 decades in a country and, well, its all gone to shit.. how do you ensure that your vulnerable citizens and allies can get out when the airport is surrounded and no one can get through?.

  option 1: it's a trick question surely?

  you don't get yourself into this mess in the first place - you withdraw the citizens first, not last, duh!.

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  Sea Breeze

  We witnessed the slow "managed decline" of the USA under Obama where he went apology tours around the world and generally weakened the US in a number of ways on purpose.

  We are witnessing more of the same. Biden knows what he is doing just as Obama did...they are not stupid.
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  Which Group is More Goofy?

  by Overrated in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  which group do you find more goofy?

  jw's?

  mormons?

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  Sea Breeze

  Mormon doctrine states that when the husband dies he must invite his wife into heaven or else she doesn't get saved.

  Think about that for a minute.
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  Pfizer becomes first Covid vaccine to gain full FDA approval

  by PaddyTheBaddy in

  1. social
  2. current

  great news.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58309254.

  pfizer's two-dose covid-19 vaccine has received full approval from the us food and drug administration (fda) - the first jab to be licensed in the nation.. .

  the vaccine had initially been given emergency use authorisation.

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  Sea Breeze

  I've heard this before; Two separate letters ONE FOR THE ELDERS AND ONE FOR THE PUBLISHERS.

  And don't forget the two separate WT magazines.... one for the unsuspecting public and one for brain-dead drones at the KH.
  
  Yes, we have seen it all before.

  
  
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  Pfizer becomes first Covid vaccine to gain full FDA approval

  by PaddyTheBaddy in

  1. social
  2. current

  great news.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58309254.

  pfizer's two-dose covid-19 vaccine has received full approval from the us food and drug administration (fda) - the first jab to be licensed in the nation.. .

  the vaccine had initially been given emergency use authorisation.

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  Expert says 'FDA-approved' Pfizer shot is NOT what people have been getting
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  What JWs don't know they believe

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a post this morning, i suggested that a way to wake up fellow congregants is to plainly comment or make talks on teachings and rules the jws don't really know too well.

  the idea is that you can say these things, other jws will be bothered by the comments, but will not be able to do anything about it as this is the official teaching or stand on this or that.

  the key here is that when troubling rules and teachings are thought in the watchtower, they generally use wording that makes them go down easy.

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  Sea Breeze

  I'd like to solve the puzzle, Pat

  I-T-S-A-C-U-L-T
  
  
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  New Approach to Discussing Deity of Christ with JW's

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  5:27; 9:59; 18:22; jn.

  9:48; [21:8]; 24:47; jn.

  21:12, 17;] jn.

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  Rattigan350,

  On the bottom of the original post on the first page of this thread, there is a link to a secret recording where this information is presented to a JW elder on a return visit starting at time marker 15:15.

  It all really comes alive when presented in the context of a real conversation with a JW elder. I would have been devastated if I had been that JW. Can't wait for part 2 to be released to see how the encounter ends up..... probably next Sunday.
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  New Approach to Discussing Deity of Christ with JW's

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  5:27; 9:59; 18:22; jn.

  9:48; [21:8]; 24:47; jn.

  21:12, 17;] jn.

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  Jeffo,

  Dr. Habermas' lecture at the University of California Santa Barbara outlines the consensus of modern scholarship (including skeptic) today on many facts surrounding Jesus and the gospel accounts, which scholars trace to just months, or even weeks after being crucified.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOW7k3hQ-vE&ab_channel=FallenEmbers

  Roman governor Pliny the Younger (A.D 111-115): Roman governor Pliny the Younger mentioned in a letter to Emperor Trajan that early Christians would “sing hymns to Christ as to a god.” (Latin, carmenque christo quasi deo; Pliny, Epistles 10.96.7) “…on a stated day they had been accustomed to meet before daybreak and to recite a hymn among themselves to Christ, as though he were a god
  

  Clearly, early Christians thought that the creator had come down from heaven.

  BTTT - I used to be a regular pioneer and enjoyed defending WT doctrines with people I met at the doors. I thought I was pretty effective. But, looking back - if someone had presented me with all these scriptures as a list at one time, it would have really shocked the Gibbering Body out of me!
  
  
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  New Approach to Discussing Deity of Christ with JW's

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  5:27; 9:59; 18:22; jn.

  9:48; [21:8]; 24:47; jn.

  21:12, 17;] jn.

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  Thanks for the completed list Vanderhoven7

  The Traditional Passages Showing Christ's Deity are probably worth posting on this thread as well: showing that, like the Father, Jesus is...

  
  - Called God: John 1:1 with v. 14; 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Pet. 1:1; Luke 1:16-17
  - From Everlasting: Ps. 90:2 with Micah 5:2
  - Receiving worship: Mat. 2:11; 14:33; 28:9; John 9:38; Heb. 1:6 (etc., 10x) with Ex. 34:14; Acts 10:25-26 & Rev. 19:10
  - Forgiving/Delegating Power to Forgive: Mat. 6:9, 12 with Jn. 20:23; Luke 5:20; Mark 2:5-11 & 1 Jn. 1:7-9
  - Omniscient: John 10:15; 2:24-25 21:17
  - Omnipresent: Ps. 139:7-10 with Mat. 18:20 & 28:20
  - Omnipotent: Rev. 1:8 with 11-13, 17; 2:8; 5:11-6:1, 21:22-23; & 22:13
  - Immutable: Mal. 3:6 with Hebrews 13:8
  - The exact equivalent
  in nature: Heb. 1:3; Phil 2:6 doesn't rob the Father to see Christ as His equal
  in fullness: Col. 2:9 (in Christ "dwells all the fullness of the Godhead")
  in glory: Isa. 45:25 with Gal. 6:14 and John 1:14; etc.
  to whom every knee shalll bow: Isa. 45:23 with Phil. 2:10
  to whom every tongue shall confess: Isa. 45:23 with Phil. 2:11 and Rom. 14:10-11
  as the Almighty: Rev. 1:8 with 11-13, 17; 2:8; 5:11-6:1, 21:22-23; & 22:13
  as Creator: Isa. 45:5-7, 18 with John 1:3 and Col. 1:16-17
  as Savior: Isa. 45:21 and Luke 1:47 with Titus 3:6; 2:13; 2 Pet. 1:11; 1 John 4:14
  as searcher of hearts: Ps. 139:23-24 with John 2:24-25 & Rev. 2:18-19, 23
  as possessor of the everlasting kingdom: Dan. 7:13-14
  as King of Kings: Rev. 19:16 with Dan. 2:47 and Isa. 33:22
  as Lawgiver: James 4:12
  as Judge: Ps. 9:7-8; 50:6 & 75:7; Isa. 33:22; 66:16; Heb. 12:23 with John 5:22; Acts 10:42; 17:31; Rom. 2:16; 2 Cor. 5:10; 2 Tim. 4:1, 8
  as Jehovah: Isa. 40:3 with Mat. 3:3; and Isa. 8:13-14 with 1 Pet. 2:7-8; Mat. 21:42; Mk. 12:10.